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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="index.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.3">Ubuntu 9.10 brings web sync, faster bootup, GNOME 2.28</a></h1><a name="a4062_3"></a><p><b>From: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.3">#3</a>]<br /> 29 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: Aurora</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.2">#2</a>] 29 Oct 2009</p> I've been nickel-diming it onto this machine since the first alpha. Every day or so, I'd add the latest increments of the build. So, I don't notice any difference. It came too gradually. The only thing I can say for sure is it boots a lot faster. But, during that time I also replaced the system drive with a SSD, so it's tough to say who gets what credit. Oh, and the spash screen is better, imo.<br /> <br /> Incidentally, this rev also brings the EXT-4 filesystem along, which will be the only one to date that supports the "trim" function needed to maintain those SSDs that provide it. If anyone intends to install any SSDs, you might want to keep that in mind when you set the disk up. SSD performance tends to deteriorate fairly quickly without that function.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.3">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_4"></a><p><b>From: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.4">#4</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.1">#1</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> I did d/l of both the 32- and 64-bit versions but decided to hold off on install so can get the the Mint Helena instead. Will do a clean install of that (/home is in own partition) because easy enough and just preempts problems. Just have to see what apps I have to reinstall. Would be nice if could just list them and do a batch install; I am sure Linux can handle that. <br /> <br /> My internet connection has been buggered for over a week now, extended intermittent dropoffs. I think the the ISP is doing some equipment installs and they are just not too swift here.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.4">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_5"></a><p><b>From: dimbulb</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.5">#5</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: Aurora</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.2">#2</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Beware, there is no direct upgrade path from versions of Ubuntu earlier than 9.04 to Version 9.10.</div><br /> <br /> My Oh My! Isn't it interesting that Windows 7 isn't the only OS that has issues doing upgrades from more than one release back?<br /> <br /> I wonder how many articles will be written and how many negative comments will be made about this?<br /> <br /> My guess is a none.... well maybe this one.<br /> <br /> Gloat! Gloat!<br /> <br /> Now that's over.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.5">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_6"></a><p><b>From: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.6">#6</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.4">#4</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Would be nice if could just list [my apps] and do a batch install; I am sure Linux can handle that.</div><br /> But, of course! Since you're using a Debian-based distro, you've probably seen the <b>dpkg</b> command? Depending on the switch you feed it you can get either a verbose listing of everything installed that includes names, version numbers, and descriptions, or a more concise listing better suited to automation. Open a terminal and type: (just the highlighted command, not my prompts)<br /> <blockquote>kgwagner@LianLiSFF:~$ <b>dpkg -l</b> <i><enter></i> (that's a lower case "L" for "list") </blockquote>or one that only includes package names <blockquote>kgwagner@LianLiSFF:~$ <b>dpkg --get-selections</b> <i><enter></i> </blockquote>The second one is more useful for automation. To make the results available if you're not going to write a script, redirect the output to a file... <blockquote>kgwagner@LianLiSFF:~$ <b>dpkg --get-selections > package_list.log</b> <i><enter></i> </blockquote>Of course, you can use whatever filename you want. Stash it somewhere you can get at it later.<br /> <br /> Once you've installed the new OS, simply feed that file to the package manager. Takes two commands: <blockquote>kgwagner@LianLiSFF:~$ <b>dpkg --set-selections < package_list.log</b> <i><enter></i> </blockquote> sets the list in place, and <blockquote>kgwagner@LianLiSFF:~$ <b>dselect</b> <i><enter></i> </blockquote>Select 'I' to install the software. <br /> <br /> There are probably better ways to do it, but this will work. The install utility will probably bitch here and there as it encounters version changes that don't make sense, because a new package has already been installed with the new distro. Just blow by those. When you're done, you should have everything installed that you did before. If /home is intact, your previous configurations and data files will still be current, too.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.6">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_7"></a><p><b>From: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.7">#7</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: dimbulb</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.5">#5</a>] 31 Oct 2009</p> Not an issue really, just a result of my<s> foible</s> preference for doing a clean install for version upgrades. Habit I picked up from the previous OS I used some time ago <grin, hint, nudge, nudge>. Ubuntu (and other Linux distros) has <b><i>upgrade</i></b> command and will do so. But this time I want to go with 64-bit version and the EXT4 file system, so a clean install is very much indicated.<br /> <br /> Note KGs comment re using a file list for the apps install. The Debian package manager makes that very doable, so I will be giving that a try. Just create the list of apps, write that file and run it as a batch. Maybe can do that in Windows but I have never heard of it and the multiple reboots may complicate such an thing<hr />.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.7">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_8"></a><p><b>From: NateHoy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.8">#8</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: dimbulb</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.5">#5</a>] 31 Oct 2009</p> <p>Actually, you can upgrade from 8.04 (the latest LTS release) or 9.04 (the latest release). But if you were smart enough to put your /home folder on a separate partition, it's literally easier to just nuke and reload the OS.</p> <p>Difference between Linux and Windows is that almost all of your settings will reinstall a "nuke and reload" like that, and most software available for Linux is available through the repositories so it's not a matter of taking several hours going through CDs, etc. Ubuntu doesn't have a "registry" - each application keeps its settings in a hidden folder off /home and when you reinstall the application all the settings are there waiting for you.</p> <p>However, if you want to upgrade, you can also do an in-place upgrade. You'll just have to go through each release in turn until you get current (for best results). Of course, you don't have to BUY all of those releases, so you can go from Ubuntu 6.04 to 9.10 if you want. You'll just have to load 6.10, 7.04, 7.10, and 8.04 along the way.</p> <p>I've done in-place upgrades several times and always found myself wondering why I didn't just do a 20-minute fresh install followed by a simple "find all my favorite software in APT" session.</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.8">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_9"></a><p><b>From: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.9">#9</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.6">#6</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> Mais oui, certainment! <br /> <br /> I never doubted it, just haven't gotten around to thinking about it. And now don't even have to do that. Sure looks easy enough, I was thinking of writing a script but your approach is simpler and looks right. Will give it a try later today.<br /> <br /> Thank you mucho.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.9">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_10"></a><p><b>From: NateHoy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.10">#10</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Running Ubuntu 9.10 LiveCD on my main desktop machine. I like it. For a LiveCD distro, this is snappy. I haven't done a whole lot, but screen response times seem considerably faster than I'm used to, and the LiveCD booted to the desktop very fast.</p> <p>I've never actually booted Ubuntu before - I went from SuSE to Mint. Can't say I'm into the brown theme, but that looks eminently fixable. :)</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.10">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_11"></a><p><b>From: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.11">#11</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.9">#9</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> It's really too easy to need a script, and I'm not sure that would be a good way to go anyway unless you were going to have two installations of the same OS. The old installation needs to be there to get your installed apps list, and you can't use it until the new installation is complete. If one is to overwrite the other, then...<br /> <br /> Besides, it's easy to remember:<br /> <ol> <li>Get old apps list</li> <li>Install new version</li> <li>Feed old apps list to installer</li> <li>...</li> <li>Profit!</li> </ol>It's not a bad idea to review your old apps list, anyway. No sense in installing stuff you don't need/use. Last time I did it, I ended up with about 5 kernels. Unless you're a kernel developer or a nut case experimenter, whaddaya need multiple kernels for? They just take up space for nothing. You can go through the file dpkg creates for you and edit it easily enough with your favorite text editor.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.11">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_12"></a><p><b>From: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.12">#12</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.6">#6</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> Ooops, just did the debpkg listing and it is a bit too comprehensive ... 1547 packages, including things like linux-headers, lib modules, make etc. <br /> <br /> Time for rethink. Nathoy post gives a good direction.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.12">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_13"></a><p><b>From: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.13">#13</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.12">#12</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> I know it looks huge, but the installer will ignore the bulk of it. It's going to check to see if the package is up-to-date or not, and if it is it goes on to the next one. Theoretically, the only hang points will be the packages that <i>don't</i> exist in the new install. Those will be the ones you installed outside the normal distribution, and those are the ones you <i>want</i> it to install.<br /> <br /> Worst case, you use the dpkg command to get your list, and print it out. Then you have a "tickle file" to remind you of what used to be there.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.13">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_14"></a><p><b>From: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.14">#14</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: NateHoy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.10">#10</a>] 31 Oct 2009</p> Seems to be widespread agreement re not favoring the brown theme. Must be Shuttleworth used to the African plains scenery (yes, I know that it's very green near the coast and rivers). The Mint green is OK and I found a very agreeable background (wallpaper) at the Mint artwork site. Plus I just like the general feel of the Mint, so will wait the several weeks for it.<br /> <br /> I am putting the Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit on USB stick just to see how the LiveCD version looks.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.14">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_15"></a><p><b>From: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.15">#15</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.14">#14</a>] 31 Oct 2009</p> They've actually changed the shade just a tad so it's not so offensive. Somehow, the previous shade brought fecal matter <i>immediately</i> to mind. Now you're more quickly reminded of chocolate, so it's not as offensive as it was. <br /> <br /> But, it's easily changed. <b>System->Preferences->Appearance</b> opens up all sorts of variations.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.15">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_16"></a><p><b>From: badzane (VERNEZANE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.16">#16</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.1">#1</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> This is the most awesome release of Ubuntu that has ever been made. I really like it and have made it look really nice with the dust theme. My laptop looks so groovy. Compiz works faster as well. Ive enabled the highest graphical enhancements and im only running 1 Gig of ram on that laptop as well. Its got a Go7300 graphics card as well and it is handled much better than the last release.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.16">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_17"></a><p><b>From: Cagey (KGWAGNER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.17">#17</a>]<br /> 30 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: badzane (VERNEZANE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.16">#16</a>] 30 Oct 2009</p> I'm pretty pleased with it. I don't remember which theme I'm using, but it's not the "Human" thing they default to. But, more to the point, it lets me use a nice audio card. I appreciate that.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.17">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_18"></a><p><b>From: dimbulb</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.18">#18</a>]<br /> 31 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.7">#7</a>] 31 Oct 2009</p> Mostly Greek to me. I've installed Ubuntu at least a dozen times but never kept it up long enough to get all the jargon in my noodle. I fiddle with it just long enough to get frustrated and go back to Windows. Sometimes it last a few hours or a few days but I always return.<br /> <br /> I even installed 9.10 yesterday just to satisfy my masochistic side and I see a couple of improvements in the way it handles network adapters. I have 3 net adapters on my mobo, 2 wired and one wired. All previous release of Ubuntu were a pain in the ass to deal with that configuration even though all I wanted to do was disable one wire and one wireless and keep it that way.<br /> 9.10 seems to have no trouble with that. <br /> <br /> But my dual monitors still won't configure correctly. In fact, if I had had just one monitor and it happened to be my Samsung 305t (30" 2560X1600), I'd never have gotten Ubuntu installed. The installation default res setting allowed me to see only about 30% of the display, so I had to depend on my 2nd monitor to get Ubuntu installed. But once it was installed and I got the nvidia driver on, then I could correct the res but still can't get the second monitor to play in portrait mode. That worked 2 version ago but not on 9.04 or 9.10.<br /> <br /> My onboard sound has no working driver either. <br /> <br /> Also I had to install twice because the first time it couldn't read my install CD and gave such cryptic messages I could figure out it if was working or not. Second time, with the same CD, it worked fine. <br /> <br /> I still have the HD with 9.10 installed to play with if I feel like volunteering for additional pain at some point. I have one of those KingWin gizmo so I can just pop in the HD and boot it and suffer.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.18">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a4062_19"></a><p><b>From: NateHoy</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.19">#19</a>]<br /> 31 Oct 2009<br /><b>To: leonsk</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.14">#14</a>] 31 Oct 2009</p> My wife seems to like the color, so that's good. :)<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.19">Reply</a></p> <hr /><p align="center">Show messages: <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.1">All</a>  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=MG&msg=4062.1">1-2</a>  3-19</p> <p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=MG&replyto=4062.0" target="_parent">Reply to All</a></p> <h4><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=MG">Back to thread list</a> | <a href="llogout.php?webtag=MG">Login</a></h4> <h6>© 2010 <a href="http://www.beehiveforum.net/" target="_blank">Project Beehive Forum</a></h6> </body>